tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post8016127172603476404..comments2024-03-27T10:06:07.100-07:00Comments on The Echinoblog: Holding on in a Rough World: Colobocentrotus atratus-the Shingle Urchin!!ChrisMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-20914866688537027072023-12-25T23:58:06.715-08:002023-12-25T23:58:06.715-08:00Hallo there, I have a small chipping piece of Aris...Hallo there, I have a small chipping piece of Aristotle’s lantern component (fossil; >1 mm) found in the sediment of freshwater river in Java. The river drain traditional petroleum mining waste. I wonder if that chip is Echinodermata of Podophora atrata (Linnaeus, 1758). I do not know how to send a picture of it. Thanks for your comment.Normahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303331142403460155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-62116147109608293972021-05-21T15:49:31.765-07:002021-05-21T15:49:31.765-07:00You don't indicate where you live exactly.. Yo...You don't indicate where you live exactly.. You mean the ones in the blog post? So you live in Hawaii? The animals so far as I know do not demonstrate any toxic qualities.. as far as I know most urchins do not. BUT the spines of some species are sharp and even if they are not pointed they might present choking hazards.. <br /><br />Starfish DO show toxic qualities and tis often best to keep dogs and pets away from them. ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-45936474486239346382021-05-21T15:41:45.942-07:002021-05-21T15:41:45.942-07:00Can anyone tell me if these urchins which grow out...Can anyone tell me if these urchins which grow outside our property are harmless for dogs to eat? We are new here and my dog has recently discovered them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-50363794864746919332014-05-10T19:37:04.354-07:002014-05-10T19:37:04.354-07:00Nope. Shingle urchins are completely harmless.Nope. Shingle urchins are completely harmless.ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-83874580743970929872014-05-10T19:21:43.528-07:002014-05-10T19:21:43.528-07:00I'm guessing from the picture of one being hel...I'm guessing from the picture of one being held in a hand that they are not venomous at all? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-41383622855519074972013-09-15T22:16:49.681-07:002013-09-15T22:16:49.681-07:00I've seen accounts that people have eaten shin...I've seen accounts that people have eaten shingle urchins. I assumed this was the gonads, which the Japanese refer to as uni, as is done in other urchins but I've never had it nor known exactly how Colobocentrotus is eaten. ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-6694116812311884502013-09-15T22:14:16.728-07:002013-09-15T22:14:16.728-07:00Philip,
This name Colobocentrotus remains accept...Philip,<br /> This name Colobocentrotus remains accepted as per the World Echinoidea Database: <br /><br />http://www.marinespecies.org/Echinoidea/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=513798<br /><br /> Podophora was an older name which has since been changed in status to become a subgenus of Colobocentrotus. I've heard it argued that Podophora remains the "correct" name but these kinds of taxonomic battles are often unsettled and sometimes do not result in universal acceptance by scientists. This was commented on by Andras Kroh in the Database. <br /><br /> The only Hawaiian name I stand by is the one stated in John Hoover's book which I used in the original blog. The discussion thread may or may not have more information which you can find useful.<br /> ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-9233330556872218392013-09-15T21:23:04.167-07:002013-09-15T21:23:04.167-07:00Some website said that you can eat the shingle urc...Some website said that you can eat the shingle urchin's yellow eggs. Is that true? And that 'podophora atrata thing is wrong. That's not the scientific name for the hā‘uke‘uke.<br />I'm doing a research paper for my social studies class on the hā‘uke‘uke, by the way–thanks for letting me use your website.<br />The hā‘uke‘uke is in the Hawaiian creation chant.<br /><br />Phillip AAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-74159791451461600322011-10-02T07:11:26.205-07:002011-10-02T07:11:26.205-07:00Sure! Always happy to help!Sure! Always happy to help!ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-83443674986373158792011-10-01T22:24:53.425-07:002011-10-01T22:24:53.425-07:00I took a trip to Maui and saw these on the rocks a...I took a trip to Maui and saw these on the rocks and thought they were beautiful. I wondered if they were a type of sea star originally. Thanks for your blog - gotta love google searches.Joyhttp://www.thejoyofthis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-24367431104571481412011-09-01T15:32:07.634-07:002011-09-01T15:32:07.634-07:00Hi, actually there is no literal meaning for the n...Hi, actually there is no literal meaning for the name, so I have no idea how it got that name or why people refer to it that way. But I do know that kaupali is rarely used. The prefix hā can be used as a causitive so hā'uke'uke would mean to make something 'uke'uke, but there's no meaning for 'uke'uke, so I have no idea. I guess it's just a Hawaiian species name.Casshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607438487121145554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-31893550126330838192011-08-30T20:10:30.425-07:002011-08-30T20:10:30.425-07:00Cass-what does Ha'uke'uke translate as?
t...Cass-what does Ha'uke'uke translate as?<br /><br />thanks for the info!ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-16514008755153514002011-08-30T16:22:00.725-07:002011-08-30T16:22:00.725-07:00Ha'uke'uke is the more widely excepted ter...Ha'uke'uke is the more widely excepted term here in Hawaii, although kaupali is also used. They're good for eating too.Casshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607438487121145554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-43519516914373437492011-07-03T11:07:47.330-07:002011-07-03T11:07:47.330-07:00one of the individuals I consulted was one of the ...one of the individuals I consulted was one of the editors of the WoRMS database. Honestly, I'm not a sea urchin person and that blog was written 3 years ago before the WoRMS Echinoid database was established. Colobocentrotus is still widely referred to in field guides and etc. Usefulness of the name supports the usage. Google immediately sends you to many useful hits for Colobocentrotus but not for Podophora.<br /><br />Haughtiness? Perhaps. But ultimately Colobocentrotus serves the greater public at the moment. Plus it sends more hits to this post-which is possibly how you found it. <br /><br />Taxonomy can be self-defeating at times-putting the cart before the horse. Your statements of taxonomic priority remain in the comments of this blog for anyone with an interest to find. And so your comments remain in the "public record" if they wish to find the name.ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-19515231912986501342011-07-03T10:55:56.175-07:002011-07-03T10:55:56.175-07:00hmm. I just checked the worms database. See http...hmm. I just checked the worms database. See http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=216204<br /><br />I find the haughtiness of your reply interesting. Seems this attitude is somewhat common in taxonomy. That's a shame. Doesn't seem worth getting too worked up about to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-53469081540701719442011-06-27T17:31:15.815-07:002011-06-27T17:31:15.815-07:00Consultation with some current, active working sea...Consultation with some current, active working sea urchin systematists suggests that usage of Podophora is not a consensus view by any stretch of the imagination. If you have a new paper that illustrates better evidence for synonymy then I will consider it.ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-66031743679865793372011-06-27T14:39:26.820-07:002011-06-27T14:39:26.820-07:00got the citation for that?got the citation for that?ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-82000097239230081772011-06-27T14:29:50.523-07:002011-06-27T14:29:50.523-07:00FYI, these should now be called Podophora atrata.FYI, these should now be called Podophora atrata.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-39616580166346513352011-06-03T20:57:46.259-07:002011-06-03T20:57:46.259-07:00There was some discussion in the original paper ab...There was some discussion in the original paper about specifically why the spines are flattened out. Different reasons were offered including the obvious hydrodynamic benefits, but also that the spines would be less physiologically expensive than big spines which would constantly be broken. <br /><br />Other than people, I'm not sure if these have any other predators given the hostile setting in which they live...ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-71095482545438990872011-06-03T20:52:41.437-07:002011-06-03T20:52:41.437-07:00living in the intertidal likely gives them refuge ...living in the intertidal likely gives them refuge from subtidal predators for which spines may serve to deter. This would thus allow them to flatten out their spines? Just a thought...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-84386496773550249972010-09-22T05:02:18.885-07:002010-09-22T05:02:18.885-07:00... and the Western Pacific, too. Just found one ...... and the Western Pacific, too. Just found one at Padang Bai, Bali, last week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3433304117507034540.post-90328068586150572082008-04-22T10:30:00.000-07:002008-04-22T10:30:00.000-07:00But they are just the right shape for kicking off ...But they are just the right shape for kicking off into the ocean!!Kevin Zelniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14192385384151149566noreply@blogger.com